Those are some pretty damning statements, and we should not fail to remind apologists about them.
But on occasion, I come across another one, so a new collection has gathered, and I’d like to have these kinds of things right at my fingertips. So I am assembling a second installment to the From the Horse’s Mouth collection.
Many of these I’ve cited several times in my writings, so I already know that they contain that degree of pungency needed to keep them in the keepers category.
“…because much of philosophy tries to answer the questions without recourse to what God says, but only through reason, it veers toward abstraction and unsettled opinion.”
- Vern Poythress, Credo Magazine: An Interview with Vern Poythress on the “Big Questions”
Well, we can’t have that – we all know that opinions are much too important to leave “unsettled.” So let’s throw reason to the wind!
“But in theism, there’s a sense in which reality is subjective - based on the divine mind.”
- Paul Manata, Bethrick Burner
I’ve been pointing this out for over a decade. At least one of them finally admits it.
“You’re like a man who steps into a painting and then denies the existence of the painter because you can’t find the painter in the painting. From within the painting, you can’t see anything outside the painting. I’m like a man who steps into a painting and cannot deny the existence of the painter since he is evident in every brushstroke. You only see absence. You see everything except the painter, so you conclude that the painter does not exist. I don’t need to see the painter when I have the painting. What is more, the painter painted himself into his own painting 2000 years ago.”
- Steve Hays, Is this the God I worship?
Similarly, a cartoon character cannot see the cartoonist who created him. So right here we have smoking-gun confirmation of the cartoon universe premise of theism.
“An imagined Jesus is just an imaginary Jesus.”
- Steve Hays, Olson’s Imaginary Jesus
So in other words, whenever I imagine Jesus dying on the cross, the Jesus I’m imagining is merely imaginary. Got it. The problem is: When is Jesus not imaginary?
“I want it to be true.”
- Mike Licona, Mike Licona Says: “I want it to be true”
That pretty much tells us all we need to know.
"It is really what Jesus said: die and give your life to Him. Die."
- Paul Washer, Die to Self, Surrender to Jesus
Does that mean that any Christian who's walking around alive and well is disobeying Jesus?
“God has a morally sufficient reason for the evil which exists.”
- Greg Bahnsen, Always Ready, p. 172.
And yet, we’re supposed to believe that this is a “good” god, right? Nope, couldn’t fool us.
“Concepts have no place in Christian epistemology.”
- Jason Petersen, A Response to Dawson Bethrick Part 2: Objectivist and Christian Epistemology
Spoken like a true champion of an anti-conceptual worldview.
“God controls our thought processes.”
- Steve Hays, Picking an Epistemology
In other words, we’re just a-volitional automatons without minds of our own, controlled like marionettes from a supernatural realm. That's Christianity for you.
“Moreover, if you believe as I do in the salvation of infants or children who die, what [their murder] meant was that these… the death of these children meant their salvation. They were the recipients of an infinite good as a result of their earthly phase of life being terminated.”
- William Lane Craig, Christian Apologetics - Genocide Is Good For Everybody!
Now just ask yourself: What atrocity against children could not be justified in this manner?
“God controls whatsoever comes to pass.”
- Cornelius Van Til, The Defense of the Faith, p. 160.
So when that abortion doctor rips a fetus from its mother’s womb, he’s just doing what he’s been predetermined to do all along, since the beginning of human history. So why all the outrage? After all, “the death of these children meant their salvation.”
“God’s thoughts make the world what it is and determine what happens – which is why all facts are revelatory of God…”
- Greg Bahnsen, Van Til’s Apologetic: Readings & Analysis, p. 243.
An unmistakable admission of Christianity’s allegiance to the primacy of consciousness metaphysics.
“God controls all events and outcomes (even those that come about by human choice and activity) and is far more capable and powerful than modern machines.”
- Greg Bahnsen, Van Til's Apologetic: Readings & Analysis, p. 489n.43.
That’s quite an active imagination you have there, Dr. Bahnsen.
In the comments section of my blog Chris Bolt on Hume and Induction, I had asked Chris Bolt (of Choosing Hats) the following question:
can it be the case that the your god communicates with believers through the 'sensus divinitatus,' and believers still get it wrong?
Yes, this is the case.
- John Robbins, An Introduction to Gordon H. Clark
In other words, right and wrong are merely arbitrary, subjective categories, with no basis in objective fact, at least according to Christianity. But we already knew this.
“To begin with then I take what the Bible says about God and his relation to the universe as unquestionably true on its own authority.”
– Cornelius Van Til, The Defense of the Faith, p. 195.
Compare this with the following statement:
“Who wishes to make such a simple blunder in elementary logic, as to say that we believe something to be true because it is in the Bible?”
- Cornelius Van Til, A Survey of Christian Epistemology, p. 12.
One can only infer from these two affirmations that Van Til’s answer to his own question is, “I do.”
- The Passion and Suffering of Christ
“Suffering in this life is so insignificant in light of eternity that it is not even worthy of a comparison. It may not seem this way when we look at our circumstances, but when we look out to the joy set before us, it is nothing. Suffering is not even a drop in the bucket.”
- Eddie Snipes, The Joy of Suffering
I guess, then, any time believers rant on about how much Jesus allegedly suffered, we should remind them that suffering in this life is “insignificant.” So quit the belly-aching already.
by Dawson Bethrick