Monday, October 13, 2014

Petersen’s Failed Attempts to Refute Leonard Peikoff: Objection 2

This is the third entry in my series examining attempts by “Clarkian presuppositionalist” Jason Petersen to refute a series of statements by Objectivist philosopher Dr. Leonard Peikoff on the topic of the existence of a god.

The first entry in this series can be found here.

The second entry in this series (Objection 1) can be found here.

Dr. Peikoff’s statements in question can be found here.

Jason Petersen’s response to Peikoff can be found here.

In this entry I will examine Petersen’s attempts to refute Peikoff’s “Objection 2” against theism. As in his approach to Peikoff’s “Objection 1,” Petersen again tries to perform an internal critique against Peikoff. In the present case, Petersen charges that Peikoff is making affirmations which Objectivist epistemology cannot support. We will find that Petersen makes this charge in glaring ignorance of what Objectivist epistemology actually teaches. Not to give the whole thing away, but Petersen repeatedly shows that he has little if any understanding of concepts. This lack of understanding, of course, can be traced back to Petersen’s own worldview, Christianity, which provides no understanding of concepts.

So let’s jump in and see what we see.

Petersen quotes Peikoff, who states:
Is God the creator of the universe? There can be no creation of something out of nothing. There is no nothing.
Petersen responds to Peikoff’s statements as follows:
Answer: This claim is simply not consistent with Peikoff’s own epistemology. Objectivism holds that there is no knowledge that humans have prior to experience, nor is there knowledge that can be gained independently of experience and sense perception.
Petersen demonstrates at best a most superficial familiarity with Objectivist epistemology here. It is true that Objectivism affirms tabula rasa, that man begins with a blank slate and must acquire his knowledge through active interaction with the world which his senses put him in contact with. Indeed, man does not have knowledge before he exists. It’s hard to see what’s so controversial about this. Also, man has no automatic means of acquiring knowledge; on the contrary, he needs to learn as he matures. This is why we put our young ones in things called schools.

But it does not follow from any of this that man is therefore incapable, given Objectivism’s epistemology, of reaching far-ranging abstractions about things that his senses do not put him in direct contact with. The only way one could draw the conclusion that man is therefore entirely stranded at the perceptual level of awareness given Objectivist epistemology, is by ignoring everything else we find in Objectivist epistemology, in particular the objective theory of concepts. Just because man begins at the perceptual level of awareness, does not mean that he is therefore incapable of abstracting general truths from what he perceives and building higher and higher on those truths.

Let me emphasize this: Only if Objectivism held that man is confined to the perceptual level of awareness could Petersen have any hope of finding some internal inconsistency here. But since Objectivism in fact does not hold this to be the case, then Petersen’s charge has no chances.

Take a look at the relevant facts: One, Objectivist epistemology presents an entire theory of concepts, thereby affirming man’s ability to form concepts and develop a vast body of abstract knowledge on the basis of what he finds in the world by looking outward. Two, Peikoff is an Objectivist, which means: his pronouncements stem from the teachings of Objectivist philosophy. Three, since Peikoff’s philosophy has an entire theory of concepts, Peikoff is not confined to the perceptual level awareness in the statements he makes and the inferences he draws. On the contrary, his worldview explicitly gives him fully justified access to the conceptual realm, the very realm which Petersen’s charge denies to Peikoff. In spite of Petersen’s failure to grasp and appreciate the enormous implications of these very facts, it does not follow that Peikoff is affirming inconsistent with his own epistemology. Far from it in fact!

Essentially, Petersen attributes to Peikoff an epistemology which has stranded men at the perceptual level in the sense that they cannot formulate any general truths from a perceptual basis. Petersen characterizes this as “Peikoff’s epistemology,” thus completely artificially distorting the facts in favor of his efforts to refute Peikoff’s objections to the notion of a god. So even though the objective theory of concepts is central to Objectivist epistemology, Petersen is essentially saying that man, according to Objectivist epistemology, has no recourse to the conceptual level of awareness and all the benefits that come along with it, such as inductive and deductive inference. If Peikoff were in fact wrong in what he says, why would his detractors need to jettison an entire, hugely important context of Peikoff’s position in order to substantiate the claim that he’s wrong? Blank out.

The issue involved in Peikoff’s present objection to god-belief is the notion that a god created the universe. We already saw in my previous post in this series how the notion of something existing “outside the universe” is self-contradictory, specifically since on Peikoff’s view ‘universe’ means the sum totality of all that exists. The reasoning here couldn’t be more straightforward: if something exists, it is part of the sum totality of everything that exists, which means that it must be part of the universe – i.e., that it must exist within the universe. Thus to posit something “existing” outside the universe is to posit something “existing” outside the sum totality of everything that exists. It’s a blatant self-contradiction. But this is essentially what theists are defending when they try to raise objections to Objectivist atheology.

Let me repeat: if the universe is the sum totality of everything that exists, then if something exists it exists within that sum totality, and thus it makes no sense to posit something existing outside that totality. This is essentially what Peikoff had stated earlier, and I think it applies quite directly to the present matter.

Now what exactly is Petersen’s contention against this? Well, that’s the problem: Petersen never seems to grasp the very straightforward reasoning here. Specifically, Petersen does not question Peikoff’s definition of ‘universe’, nor does Petersen even make the slightest effort to validate the notion that something can exist outside the universe and thus be responsible for “creating” it. Even worse, Petersen never makes any effort to validate the notion, which is so central to Christianity, that an act of consciousness can produce mind-independent concretes.

Consider the following:

Is Peikoff wrong to say that something of a certain nature cannot exist? What if the something in question is said to have a nature that contradicts everything Peikoff knows about reality? Would he still be wrong to say that such a thing could not exist? Would he be wrong to say that something contradictory to the reality in which we find ourselves cannot exist? Frankly, I don’t see why Peikoff would be wrong to say this, and Petersen’s comments have not been helpful in showing that Peikoff would be wrong.

Is Peikoff wrong to say that something of a certain non-nature cannot exist? But we already saw, in the previous entry in this series, that to exist is to have a specific nature. Thus something that allegedly had a non-nature would be something that has no nature. But a thing is its nature. To exist is to be something specific. That’s the law of identity. Clearly Peikoff would be right, given the law of identity, to say that such a thing could not exist.

Is Peikoff wrong to say that a claim is not true? Generally speaking, Peikoff would have to have the ability to say that a claim is not true, if in fact he had sufficient reason to do so. Consider Peikoff’s starting point, the axiom of existence. This axiom affirms explicitly that existence exists. It is based on direct perceptual awareness of everything he sees, touches, hears, etc. Given this recognition, he would be fully justified in saying that the claim that there is no existence, is wrong. Such a claim would contradict everything he can know and verify by means of firsthand cognitive activity.

Given that Peikoff can indeed have sufficient warrant in making knowledge judgments in these general categories, it’s hard to see how Peikoff could be accused of abandoning his own epistemological commitments by making the statements which Petersen has quoted from him, especially when his philosophy – Objectivism – presents a full account for the relationship between conceptual awareness and its basis in perceptual awareness. Petersen takes none of this into account in his attempt to present an internal critique here.

Petersen writes:
Aside from the fact that Peikoff is making a bare assertion, there is simply no way that he can demonstrate that something cannot be created from nothing by an all powerful being.
Recall that Petersen quotes Peikoff’s statement from a broader context, some of which already appeared in the previous installment of this series. I showed above how Peikoff’s point in the present objection can be traced directly to the points he gave earlier in the series of statements which Petersen is quoting. Peikoff need not do every bit of thinking for those in his audience.

Also, why would Peikoff, or anyone for that matter, need to “demonstrate that something cannot be created from nothing by an all powerful being”? If said “all powerful being” is merely imaginary, then it does not exist and therefore cannot do anything. I have already given good reasons to suppose that the Christian god is imaginary in my blog entry titled The Imaginative Nature of Christian Theism. So far I’ve not seen any effective responses from defenders of Christian god-belief against the points that I cite there. Christians need to identify an objective alternative to imagination as the means by which we have “awareness” of the god their religion describes. Otherwise, as Steve Hays puts it, “an imagined Jesus is just an imaginary Jesus,” and likewise an imagined god is just an imaginary god. And since theists routinely fail to offer any alternative to the imagination as the means by which we are to have “awareness” of their god, then we must accept the fact that all indicators are that the Christian god is a figment of the believer’s imagination, no matter how much he wants it to be real.

Moreover, like everyone else, Peikoff has more than sufficient observational evidence to inform and support the recognition that matter does not come into and/or go out of existence. Matter can change form, but it does not suddenly pop into existence. We never observe things suddenly popping into existence or suddenly vanishing, never to be seen again. And certainly we do not find any example of acts of consciousness bringing new things into existence, such as wishing a pebble or a planet into existence. That is, we do not find examples of this when we look outward at the world around us.

But of course, none of these facts will stop anyone from imagining that things can suddenly pop into existence or imagining some consciousness that can magically wish things into existence. If existence is eternal and uncreated, it would still be possible to imagine that existence was created by an act of some imaginary consciousness. And this is precisely what we find in Christianity: an imaginary consciousness doing imaginary things. It’s all make-believe.

Now, if Petersen can demonstrate something being “created from nothing by an all powerful being,” by all means show us! This would settle many conflicts. Perhaps this “all powerful being” could create a new continent, say, south of Hawaii, or a second moon orbiting earth. Of course, it would have to do this in such a way as to preclude scientific explanations. Whatever it is that the “all powerful being” zaps into existence, it must be indisputably clear that it was not assembled from pre-existing matter. And to eliminate all possible doubt, this “all powerful being” would need to appear before us (surely it can do that, no?) and announce exactly what it plans to wish into existence before performing its magic feat.

But something tells me that neither Petersen nor anyone else will ever be able to present such a demonstration. This means that their “all powerful being” and notions like creation ex nihilo will forever remain in the bowels of the imagination, and believers will simply need to learn to be content with this fact. If I can do that, why can’t they?

Petersen continues:
Ayn Rand argued that all knowledge comes from “reason.” To Ayn Rand, “reason” means sense perception and experience.
Notice that Petersen does not quote Ayn Rand on her understanding of what reason is. Rand’s definition of ‘reason’ is the following:
Reason is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man’s senses. (“The Objectivist Ethics,” The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 20)
Elsewhere Rand points out that reason involves a conceptual process:
Reason integrates man’s perceptions by means of forming abstractions or conceptions, thus raising man’s knowledge from the perceptual level, which he shares with animals, to the conceptual level, which he alone can reach. The method which reason employs in this process is logic—and logic is the art of non-contradictory identification. (“Faith and Force: Destroyers of the Modern World,” Philosophy: Who Needs It, p. 62)
So for Objectivism, contrary to what Petersen presents, reason does not merely mean sense perception and experience. Brown mice and black bears also have sense perception and experience. But this is what Petersen overlooks: man can form concepts from his perception of the world. This oversight is key to unraveling Petersen’s misrepresentations of Peikoff’s statements in particular, and Objectivism in general. The significance of concepts to man’s cognition cannot be over-emphasized, but thinkers of all walks of life casually ignore its importance while taking their conceptual ability completely for granted. Where, for example, do we find any discussion of the nature of concepts in the Old or New Testament? Its authors were extremely concerned about circumcision, but there’s no indication that they had any inkling about the importance of concepts. For them it must have been an utterly perplexing mystery, and the biblical record shows that instead of trying to explore and understand the conceptual level of awareness, they retreated into the caves of their imaginations and emotions, bewildered and frightened by man’s mental abilities. Today’s witch doctors are no different.

Petersen goes on:
Peikoff cannot, without betraying his own objectivist epistemology, argue for a proposition that is outside of sense perception and experience.
Given his unfortunate lack of familiarity with Objectivist epistemology, and probably his own lack of appreciation for concepts (what does Christianity teach on the topic of concepts anyway?), Petersen uncritically assumes that Peikoff must be epistemologically stranded at the perceptual level of awareness. But this is not the case. Objectivism is not British empiricism, and Leonard Peikoff is not David Hume. Petersen has failed to make crucial distinctions here, thanks in part to his failure to actually look up what Objectivist epistemology teaches, and along with this failure he has missed the uniqueness of Objectivism’s contribution to epistemology. And since Peikoff has a fully developed theory of concepts on his side, he is not, as Petersen wrongly assumes, confined to the perceptual level. On the contrary, his epistemology gives him an account of the conceptual level of awareness and also teaches how one can operate it successfully. You won’t find any of this in Christianity. Indeed, Christianity has no theory of concepts, and given its lack of access to a proper understanding of concepts, seeks what can only be concocted in the imagination as a woefully inferior substitute for concepts.

Jason Petersen seems fixated on this premise, for we find him dishing it out elsewhere. In a video on Youtube titled Jason Petersen on Epistemology in Secular Philosophy, Petersen states (7:46 – 8:17):
I was talking to an atheist and the atheist told me in this debate “Well, I learn things by experience.” I said “That’s great. So is it your experience that something comes from nothing? Is it your experience that the universe can just spontaneously come out of [into?] existence?” I said that… because he was arguing that the universe could come from nothing, I said “But if you start you’re your experience, how could you draw that conclusion in the first place? You’re contradicting yourself. Because you say you start with experience to know things, but you haven’t experienced the universe suddenly popping into being.”
Now, I don’t know who the individual was that Petersen was debating, but aside from the issue of whether or not the universe spontaneously came into being, one thing is clear from this and other things that he has stated: Petersen completely ignores the role of concepts in human cognition. Indeed, it may even be much worse than this, i.e., his epistemology requires, however tacitly, that consideration of conceptual ability not be allowed. It is only by discounting the role of concepts in human cognition that the case which Petersen presents here could enjoy any traction to begin with. If we begin with perception but have no way to form abstractions on the basis of what we perception in the world, then and only then we’d be confined exclusively to our own experiences – indeed, only our immediate experiences – in the sense that Petersen’s critique requires. Needless to say, many philosophers have made the very mistake from which Petersen is arguing.

But if we begin with perception and if we do in fact have the ability to form abstractions on the basis of experience, then the problem which Petersen wants his audience to uncritically swallow disappears completely.

Petersen writes:
In other words, Peikoff is making claims that his own objectivist epistemology cannot support.
But as should be clear by now, Petersen has demonstrated repeatedly now that he has no informed understanding of Objectivist epistemology. So he is in no position to say whether or not Peikoff is making proclamations which his theory of knowledge cannot support. Indeed, we’ve seen how Petersen’s understanding of Objectivist epistemology is worse than superficial, completely ignoring the significance and the role concepts play in expanding our awareness beyond what we merely perceive.

Consider the wide-reaching implications of this simple example. I have formed the concept ‘shoe’ in which I have integrated all the data that I have discovered in every shoe that I have personally come in contact with (i.e., from “experience”). I formed this concept by the very process outlined by the objective theory of concepts, which Rand presents in her book Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology. (Where does Christianity present a theory of concepts? Blank out.) But, significantly, notice that, as a category, the concept ‘shoe’ includes much more than just the individual shoes I’ve seen firsthand. Thanks largely to the process of measurement-omission, the concept ‘shoe’ that I have formed includes every shoe which exists now, which has existed in the past, and which will exist in the future, regardless to size, color, style, material content, degree of wear, etc. The concept ‘shoe’ gives me general knowledge of all shoes, past, present and future, regardless of where they currently exist, where they did exist or where they will exist (for time and place are also omitted measurements), thus allowing me to expand my knowledge well beyond that which I immediately perceive. Given all this, if I have a conversation on the phone with my cousin in Virginia, and he starts telling me about a new pair of shoes he’s purchased, I can readily comprehend what he’s saying, even though I’ve never experienced those particular shoes before!

So I’m more than satisfied in saying that Ayn Rand solved the problem of universals with her groundbreaking theory, but I realize it will take the rest of the world a very long time to catch on (if they ever do!).

What’s crucial for our present purposes, is to note that Petersen’s entire case requires that we ignore the cognitive role of concepts and along with this the facts that, not only that we are capable of conceptual thought in the first place, but also that concepts are formed on the basis of objective input gathered through firsthand experience of the world and that concepts expand our knowledge beyond our experience, and in an objectively informed manner to boot.

Petersen goes on:
In order to know that there is no nothing, Peikoff would have to be omniscient.
This has got to be one of the most myopic statements I’ve encountered from a Christian all year (and that’s saying a lot!). I suppose Petersen must suppose that Peikoff would have to be omniscient to know that there is no Santa Claus, no tooth fairy, no elves and hobbits, no mermaids, etc.

If there were nothing, there would be no something. If anything exists, then there is no nothing. The concept ‘nothing’ does not denote an existent, but rather the absence of existents. Consequently, if Peikoff is aware of anything, he is fully justified in recognizing the obvious fact that something exists, and therefore that “there is no nothing.” Thus Peikoff is surely not speaking beyond his knowledge.

In addition to not grasping what the concept ‘nothing’ means, Petersen is arguing from a reversed understanding of what knowledge is, which is quite common among thinkers today, especially if they are prone to treating arbitrary notions as though they warranted serious investigation. We do not work from omniscience to knowledge, nor is omniscience our standard. Reason is our only objective standard, and we use reason to acquire knowledge. The primary purpose of reason is to identify and integrate the material we perceive by means of concepts; its primary purpose is not to acquire knowledge by sifting through proposed alternatives, as though our minds were constantly beholden to a process of elimination. We do not learn about reality by looking inward at all the fanciful scenarios we can concoct in our imagination and eliminating those that we find deficient for whatever reason. On the contrary, we learn about reality by looking outward at it, identifying what we perceive by means of concepts, integrating those concepts into broader or more refined concepts, and those into further levels of abstraction. This means we need good reasons – i.e., objective input from reality – to accept claims as knowledge; we do not need to busy ourselves with the task of coming up with reasons to dismiss or reject proposals which have no objective support. But this seems to be what Petersen requires from non-theistic thinkers like Peikoff. Indeed, if all evidence indicates that Petersen’s god is a figment of the imagination (and it does indicate this), that’s all we need in order to reject it (and that’s what I do). Petersen does not have to like this, but it is the case all the same.

Petersen writes:
Because Peikoff has not had the necessary experiences to confirm that the universe is eternal, he is going out of the bounds of his own epistemology when he makes statements such as, “there can be no creation of something out of nothing.”
Specifically, what experiences would Peikoff need to have in order to confirm that the universe is eternal, and how does Petersen know that Peikoff has not had these experiences? What epistemological methodology does Petersen use to acquire such privy information about another individual’s experiences? Petersen has routinely accused Peikoff of making statements which his epistemology cannot support. I have shown how this is completely mistaken. But now it seems that Petersen himself is making statements that his own epistemology (whatever it might be) probably cannot support in the slightest. It’s just more of the pot calling the kettle black.

We saw above that by ‘universe’ Peikoff explicitly means the sum totality of all that exists. We also saw that the existence of the universe is a necessary precondition for time: since time is a form of measurement, and what it measures is motion and activity, then things would have to exist in order for there to by any motion and activity to measure. The only consistently logical conclusion, given these premises, is that the universe must therefore be eternal. What special experience is needed in addition to this “to confirm that the universe is eternal”?

Now Petersen may reject Peikoff’s definitions, and if so, that’s peachy keen. I frankly doubt Peikoff cares. But the upshot is that Petersen has failed to produce an internal critique, and with the clarifications I have given above, Peikoff’s points so far stand vindicated.

Next up, we’ll look at Petersen’s response to Peikoff’s third objection to theism.

by Dawson Bethrick

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Blogger l_johan_k said...


October 14, 2014 2:02 AM  
Blogger fishbone said...

Jason's mental midgetry is astounding
I quote

Notice that Bethrick’s criteria that all knowledge must come from mental activity. Such a conclusion cannot be came to without committing the fallacy of asserting the consequent. If there must be an explanation for every proposition, then Bahnsen Burner must explain how knowledge cannot come from anything other than by mental activity.

There is no way to empirically demonstrate that all knowledge must necessarily come from ourselves. If Bethrick is able to provide such a demonstration, he is welcome to try. One could argue that mental activity is detectable by computers that are designed to measure brain activity, but such an assertion assumes that brain activity is the only explanation for what is being seen on the machine. This assumes that the consequent can only be explained by one possibility, whereas there are multiple reasons why activity may be displayed on the device. In this case, if Bethrick happened to take an empirical approach to demonstrating that all knowledge comes from mental activity that is performed by the individual, he would “know without knowing how he knows.”

October 14, 2014 8:01 PM  
Blogger Bahnsen Burner said...

"If there must be an explanation for every proposition, then Bahnsen Burner must explain how knowledge cannot come from anything other than by mental activity."

It's very simple: knowing is a *type* of activity. What performs this activity? The mind performs it. If the mind is not functioning, there's no knowing happening, thus no knowledge to speak of.

Again, you can see why I'm not impressed with this guy. He seems to have the impression that waving a bunch of words around and challenging people to "demonstrate" things (while never demonstrating his god-belief claims) somehow qualifies him as an expert on epistemology. But what does he offer? Just more deep chasms of vacuousness.

Another post in this series will be published shortly.


October 14, 2014 8:15 PM  
Blogger l_johan_k said...

Well, Mr Petersen thinks (as Mr Segers) that all of science is false since the scientific method commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

Ozy did a video about it:

October 14, 2014 11:26 PM  
Blogger Bahnsen Burner said...

Thanks for sharing the link to this video, Johan. I think Ozy’s right in everything he says here. It’s well-informed and it debunks several of the Clarkian’s distinctive attacks on the human mind.

I found the following points in Ozy’s talk quite useful:

1. The fallacy of affirming the consequent is a *formal* fallacy – i.e., having to do with the *structure* of an inference;

2. The fallacy of affirming the consequent is a violation of modus ponens - which is a rule of *deductive* logic (as opposed to *inductive* logic);

3. A valid argument does not imply a *sound* argument; this implies that logic alone is not enough: logic is the structure of inference, but what’s also needed is content, and we get that through *reason* (something Petersen rejects);

4. Since the fallacy of affirming the consequent is a *formal* fallacy, it can be avoided by restructuring the argument, specifically by reversing the antecedent and the consequent;

5. The rule known as modus tollens is used to test a hypothesis for falsifiability, not to prove it.

In my final entry in this series (which hopefully I’ll be able to post tomorrow), I’ll bring out some more problems for Clarkians (since they reject induction altogether).


October 15, 2014 1:46 AM  

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