“God must always remain mysterious to man.”
– Cornelius Van Til, The Defense of the Faith, p. 14.
(Except to Van Til, of course!)
“To begin with then I take what the Bible says about God and his relation to the universe as unquestionably true on its own authority.”
– Cornelius Van Til, The Defense of the Faith, p. 195.
(He might as well say “The Bible is true because I want it to be true!”)
“A person with a wish to be fulfilled is often on the road to belief.”
– John Frame, Apologetics to the Glory of God, p. 37.
(Sort of says it all, doesn’t it?)
“We know without knowing how we know.”
– John Frame, Presuppositional Apologetics: An Introduction (Part I)
(Finally one of them admits it!)
“Religious faith is something to die for.”
– Peter Kreeft and Ronald K. Tacelli, Handbook of Christian Apologetics, p. 14.
(So say Muslim suicide bombers. In fact, they even put this belief into practice!)
"I just believe that we are very good about lying to ourselves, and only accepting, uh, or interpreting the evidence the way we would like to."
– Christian apologist Phil Fernandes in his debate with JJ Lowder.
(He’s obviously speaking for himself!)
“In actuality, this autonomous man is dull, stubborn, boorish, obstinate and stupid.”
– Greg L. Bahnsen, Always Ready, p. 56.
(There’s nothing like that longsuffering Christian love!)
“Faith is the precondition of proper understanding.”
(Which premise of TAG is this?)
“Empirical experience merely gives us an appearance of things; empirical experience cannot in itself correct illusions or get us beyond appearance to any world or realm of reality lying beyond.”
– Greg L. Bahnsen, Always Ready, p. 181.
(There goes Romans 1:20…)
"God has the right to command and be obeyed. He has, therefore, the right to tell us what we must believe."
– John Frame, Apologetics to the Glory of God, p. 51.
(Say goodbye to man's right to his own mind!)
"The entire human race is dead in trespass and sin, falling short of god's glory (Eph. 2:1, 5; Rom. 3:23; 5:15); as a result, no one seeks after God or has understanding (Rom. 3:10-12)."
– Greg L. Bahnsen, Always Ready, p. 84.
(Let me get this straight. No one has understanding? Not even Greg Bahnsen?)
"Christians are often befuddled about 'reason', not knowing whether it is something to embrace or eschew."
– Greg L. Bahnsen, Always Ready, p. 113.
(Indeed, what did Jesus say about reason?)
by Dawson Bethrick
Do you mind if I post those on our blog ? Those quotes are just beautiful.
ReplyDeleteLike rhinestones for sale in a pawn shop... Any savvy buyer would spot them on sight. And all this talk of Jesus... coming back to see us... Mhhh hhmmmm Couldn't fool us!
ReplyDeleteYou bet, Franc! Spread the word! Bring down their house of cards!
Hello,
ReplyDeleteYou're being intellectually dishonest with yourself in your list of quotes in the article
'From the Horse's Mouth: Apologists Shooting Themselves in the Foot'
Example 1: “We know without knowing how we know.”
– John Frame, Presuppositional Apologetics: An Introduction (Part I)
(Finally one of them admits it!)
What is the context? Is he speaking of Christians alone or all humanity? Knowledge and belief are still openly debated even among unbelievers the world over.
Example 2. “Religious faith is something to die for.”
– Peter Kreeft and Ronald K. Tacelli, Handbook of Christian Apologetics, p. 14.
(So say Muslim suicide bombers. In fact, they even put this belief into practice!)
This is horrendously ridiculous of you to say such a thing. Muslim suicide bombers would actually say "Religious faith is something to kill for." You're using the quote as implying murder whereas that is not what Kreeft is saying. He is instead saying that if someone wants to kill you because you believe in Christianity, then it is worth it to die for your beliefs.
Example 3: "I just believe that we are very good about lying to ourselves, and only accepting, uh, or interpreting the evidence the way we would like to."
– Christian apologist Phil Fernandes in his debate with JJ Lowder.
(He’s obviously speaking for himself!)
I heard that debate and know that Fernandes is not speaking for himself but for humanity in general. How could you not see that? Perhaps you are very good at lying to yourself.
I suspect that the rest of your articles are as bad as this. Why, then, should any self-respecting atheist bother with your website? I guess, if he likes lying to himself and is careless with the use of his mind. But perhaps it is the heart, and its biases, prejudices, and desires, which drives you.