tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post3294976360777164557..comments2024-03-27T09:11:00.450-04:00Comments on Incinerating Presuppositionalism: Some Thoughts on the "Sensus Divinitatis"Bahnsen Burnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-62327315597249205422011-12-09T00:58:26.410-05:002011-12-09T00:58:26.410-05:00Justin,
Did you receive my email I sent? I was j...Justin,<br /><br />Did you receive my email I sent? I was just wondering -- no rush on whatever it was you wanted to discuss, since you've indicated that you're pretty busy, and I have been a little busy myself. But I was just wondering if it came through to the right email address.<br /><br />YdemocYdemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498165330193613762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-77614353374909009782011-12-08T09:59:53.271-05:002011-12-08T09:59:53.271-05:00Ah, "sensus divinitatus" - one of my fav...Ah, "sensus divinitatus" - one of my favorite bullshit apologetic non-concepts. Right up there with "the impossibility of the contrary".<br /><br />To be clear, from my very first day in Ms. Heflin's Sunday school class, I never believed a single word of Christianity, and I haven't looked back.<br /><br />But even allowing such thing as SD, there is no mechanism by which it can be discerned from imagination.<br /><br />This cuts to the heart of the matter:<br /><br />'there’s also the unfathomable diversity of god-belief even within Christianity proper, complete with dynastic schisms, doctrinal infighting, raging debates, backbiting quarrels, party shunning, charges of heresy, break-off sects, etc., all dividing the “body of Christ” almost down to a person.'<br /><br />There aren't 30,000 different sects of scientific opinion, all claiming to have "the true freezing temperature of water". This is because science is predicated on the observation of reality, informed by critically robust evidence, sound logic and reasoning.<br /><br />Conversely, religion is predicated on anthropomorphizing the contents of one's brain. Given this, the myriad flavors of belief are not surprising.Dylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15651163650426018518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-3595864055131917412011-12-08T05:56:20.743-05:002011-12-08T05:56:20.743-05:00Michael,
Thank you for praying for Dawson.
I...Michael,<br /><br />Thank you for praying for Dawson. <br /><br />I've been praying for his salvation to.<br /><br />I appreciate your love and kindness.<br /><br />Keep me in your prayers as I seem to be lacking in those areas.<br /><br /><br />Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-77327590121048582772011-12-08T01:13:06.847-05:002011-12-08T01:13:06.847-05:00The real tragedy for characters like Sye and Nide ...The real tragedy for characters like Sye and Nide is their failure to realize that the debate is already on. And it isn't going well for them.<br /><br />Stay safe, Dawson.openlyatheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03799132607816184980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-61786347735186673042011-12-07T08:42:26.462-05:002011-12-07T08:42:26.462-05:00Hello Michael
You wrote: “I've been spelling ...Hello Michael<br /><br />You wrote: “I've been spelling it wrong in my discussion with you in the comments. It's Sensus divinitatis.”<br /><br />D’oh! I hate when that happens! <br /><br />But seriously, thanks for pointing this out. Though I should have known better (since the notion of the “sensus divinitatis” is not new to me), I made the same mistake as well. I went through and corrected 19 instances of the word throughout my blog, including in the title and also the label. I should have stuck with “SD” throughout. Oh well.<br /><br />I have to say that the spelling the word with a ‘u’ instead of an ‘i’ does seem more natural (e.g., we don’t write “sensis”). I wonder what spelling rule makes ‘i’ the correct letter here. Its origin is not a language that I have formally studied, so I can’t really comment.<br /><br />Anyway, though I was in a rush to write this last night (without the luxury of being able to look up spellings apparently!), I did do my best to encapsulate as many of your relevant points as faithfully as possible, and I’m hopeful that your acknowledgement of this means I did so successfully. <br /><br />I’m sure you’d agree, there’s so much more to say on these matters, and I did not even cover everything in your comment. I’m extremely pressed for time now, and I’m staring a harrowing schedule for the next few months right in the face. Frankly I don’t know how I’m going to make it til March, but I’m just going to take it one day at a time. <br /><br />Life has been disrupted for everyone here in the Bangkok area due to the floods, and everyone’s feeling the pain of readjusting. I learned just this morning from one of my co-workers that she discovered the dead body of her neighbor (someone she apparently knew pretty well, too) during the peak of the flood. Apparently the fellow, a 47-year-old Filipino man, woke up one morning to find the ground floor of his house flooded, and when he stepped into the water he was electrocuted because the refrigerator was plugged in and still running. Just awful! <br /><br />The path of destruction is visible throughout many parts of the area where I live. Debris is piled up along many streets, and who knows what’s going to happen to the millions of sandbags that were used to protect homes and businesses. Many people are still living in make-shift shanties on the side of busy streets – you drive by and see their TV sets, their beds, their laundry, their entire lives right there in plain view. I’m very fortunate to have gotten through this relatively unscathed. But many people have lost everything. <br /><br />Sort of makes spelling errors seem utterly unimportant.<br /><br />Regards,<br />DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-48994386149275694202011-12-07T00:22:11.823-05:002011-12-07T00:22:11.823-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-53369857286653835262011-12-07T00:20:37.074-05:002011-12-07T00:20:37.074-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-42007721696569380962011-12-06T20:11:25.443-05:002011-12-06T20:11:25.443-05:00J. Hall,
What's wrong with metaphysical subje...J. Hall,<br /><br />What's wrong with metaphysical subjectivism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-60176605428118359442011-12-06T19:46:52.031-05:002011-12-06T19:46:52.031-05:00@Nide
Sorry Nide but that is not an answer to a s...@Nide<br /><br />Sorry Nide but that is not an answer to a simple yes or no question. I am presuming you understand at this point what metaphysical subjectivism means. I also assume that you have at least some conception of what god means or you wouldn't even know what you are talking about. So it is simple logic from there. Yes or no and if no why? If you want me to accept the claim that god exists I need this clarified. Additionally I am not saying god is a trickster, and even if I were, that would be presupposing god existed in the first place. All I am concerned about at this time is the metaphysical relationship.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-11116468917913736992011-12-06T19:05:11.426-05:002011-12-06T19:05:11.426-05:00Justin,
I answered this last night and it seems y...Justin,<br /><br />I answered this last night and it seems you don't like my answer.<br /><br />But here it is again:<br /><br />Since I am a temporal being I have no choice but to view reality based on experience. However, since, I am limited to what I can learn. Any, Ultimate, metaphysical claim I make if based on my experience is arbitraty, subjective, invalid.<br /><br />God's relationship to his creation is not based on whim.<br />His will is guided by who he is, that is, Perfect, Good, and Moral. He's bound to his nature. God's not some "cosmic trickster" playing mind Games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-84950176023383783662011-12-06T18:43:17.489-05:002011-12-06T18:43:17.489-05:00@Nide
Ah, Nide glad you joined us, picking up whe...@Nide<br /><br />Ah, Nide glad you joined us, picking up where we left off....<br /><br />“Spefically, what's the problem with God controlling everything that happens?”<br /><br />Whether or not their is a problem is not the point I am endeavoring to make at this time. What I want to know is given that god controls everything that happens, is that not a metaphysically subjective relationship? You said I could call it whatever I liked, which implies no active disagreement if not actual agreement. What say you?Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-67123413624183888532011-12-06T18:39:58.699-05:002011-12-06T18:39:58.699-05:00Okay, this is embarrassing for both of us.
When I ...Okay, this is embarrassing for both of us.<br />When I saw it up in your heading, it looked wrong, and it is.<br /><br />I've been spelling it incorrectly in my discussion with you in the comments. <br />It's Sensus divinitatis.<br /><br />No 'u' in the second word.<br /><br />Let me also say, I really appreciate how hard you've tried to represent my position faithfully.<br /><br />But back to the main point, we'll both look more credible if we spell the technical term correctly ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09302939516532864508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-68835779865187681582011-12-06T18:38:56.385-05:002011-12-06T18:38:56.385-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09302939516532864508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-16171873126781280142011-12-06T17:57:29.261-05:002011-12-06T17:57:29.261-05:00BB,
How about Judges do they cause mischief in cr...BB,<br /><br />How about Judges do they cause mischief in criminals lives?<br /><br />By the way I'm half way through the snow storm.<br /><br /><br /><br />P.S. How about that debate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-54623723191046505582011-12-06T17:21:56.408-05:002011-12-06T17:21:56.408-05:00@Justin
Thanks, I think I've got it mostly ri...@Justin<br /><br />Thanks, I think I've got it mostly right in that post.Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-60004210140744083522011-12-06T17:20:38.878-05:002011-12-06T17:20:38.878-05:00Another excellent article Dawson! Good work!Another excellent article Dawson! Good work!Alex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-55562559309662172052011-12-06T15:19:54.826-05:002011-12-06T15:19:54.826-05:00@Ydemoc
thankyou, stuck at work and cant check it...@Ydemoc<br /><br />thankyou, stuck at work and cant check it right now, but I can post here thru the proxy:) strange , I will email you tonightJustin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-28770045792534622682011-12-06T14:54:30.957-05:002011-12-06T14:54:30.957-05:00Justin,
I emailed you.
YdemocJustin,<br /><br />I emailed you.<br /><br />YdemocYdemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498165330193613762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-22470941963525218292011-12-06T14:53:23.307-05:002011-12-06T14:53:23.307-05:00Dawson,
Another high-quality blog entry from you....Dawson,<br /><br />Another high-quality blog entry from you. As they say, the busiest people always find the time (or something like that). If your blogging activity this last week is any indication of how busy you are, I say "Stay busy!"<br /><br />I also thought this piece of writing was just great: "Then again, I could very well point out (as in fact I do think) that Michael knows deep down that he’s really only imagining his god, but has been suppressing this fact."<br /><br />This made me think of a possible title for a future blog entry: "Accounting for God Belief: Suppression of the Knowledge That the Supernatural Is Only Imaginary".<br /><br />Needless to say, I'm really enjoying this quality exchange you and Michael are having. <br /><br />YdemocYdemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498165330193613762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-44194083849861083382011-12-06T14:50:21.235-05:002011-12-06T14:50:21.235-05:00@Alex B
well writen post, thanks:)@Alex B<br /><br />well writen post, thanks:)Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-14724867245618034472011-12-06T13:53:39.962-05:002011-12-06T13:53:39.962-05:00I've posted something that *might* be slightly...I've posted something that *might* be slightly relevant - http://anatheistviewpoint.blogspot.com/2011/12/presubullshit.htmlAlex Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083943878149587831noreply@blogger.com