tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post115084741510066449..comments2024-03-27T09:11:00.450-04:00Comments on Incinerating Presuppositionalism: Steve's Hays-ty Reaction to the Cartoon Universe Premise of His WorldviewBahnsen Burnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1151106681196901022006-06-23T19:51:00.000-04:002006-06-23T19:51:00.000-04:00Bthrick, you were on a show? Was it an online radi...Bthrick, you were on a show? Was it an online radio show? Where can I get a copy of it?Vytautashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10563655929016752682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1151102535025468362006-06-23T18:42:00.000-04:002006-06-23T18:42:00.000-04:00Whoever it is you were debating, wasn't doing a ve...Whoever it is you were debating, wasn't doing a very good job of even asking a question. Rather pitiful show.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1150989174238734502006-06-22T11:12:00.000-04:002006-06-22T11:12:00.000-04:00Steve's whole approach to this matter is wrong-hea...Steve's whole approach to this matter is wrong-headed. He seems to think that, if he can ridicule me enough, this will defuse the criticism of Christianity that I have raised. In this way, Steve is like so many other internet apologists. For instance, he titled his blog "<A HREF="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2006/06/dawsons-mickey-mouse-philosophy.html" REL="nofollow">Dawson's Mickey Mouse Philosophy</A>," as if my worldview assumed the cartoon universe premise of theism, like Christianity. Steve needs to understand (I thought it was apparent already) that I am not a theist. There's nothing in my conception of the world that he has shown to be analogous to the relationship between a cartoon and its cartoonist. In fact, it is only on the basis of a non-cartoon universe worldview such as mine that one can raise worldview objections in the first place. For to raise worldview objections, one needs the concept of truth (e.g., that some statements accurately reflect the actual state of affairs, while others do not), and the concept of truth assumes the non-cartoon universe of theism (i.e., a universe in which the objects we perceive do not alter in order to conform to someone's wishing). That is to say, the concept of truth assumes a universe where reality is objective, which means: the objects of consciousness exist independent of consciousness. <BR/><BR/>Needless to say, whether I am sane or not, whether I am rational or not, whether I can read the New Testament in Greek or not, whether I have read 5,000 books on New Testament scholarship or not, these are irrelevant to the fact that Christianity models a cartoon view of the universe. Steve apparently finds satisfaction in calling me an ignoramus. That's fine. I doubt this really makes him feel better, but if it does, that tells us who he really is. Besides, he's the one who's defending a worldview which essentially likens the universe to a cartoon.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1150947352056028792006-06-21T23:35:00.000-04:002006-06-21T23:35:00.000-04:00I fail to see how the analogy of universe to carto...I fail to see how the analogy of universe to cartoon is more offensive to the Christian than the analogy of humanity to clay.<BR/><BR/>Nice bait & switch Hays tries to pull himself; claiming that if Dawson can type on a computer Dawson must be manipulating reality and therefore calling his own worldview a cartoon. Belabored, yet sneaky.<BR/><BR/>Definitely a disciple of Manata, this Hays.openlyatheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03799132607816184980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1150912196240303732006-06-21T13:49:00.000-04:002006-06-21T13:49:00.000-04:00Wow that was intense, but Steve's attempt to escap...Wow that was intense, but Steve's attempt to escape the Loony Tunes attributes of his Christian worldview fails miserably. <BR/><BR/>He simply cant admit that, by necessity, an existence created ex nihilo from a conscious being is equivalent to a cartoon universe. <BR/><BR/>Damn third party nihilists! Keep rockin Dawson :)Aaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.com