tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post7189067846130253707..comments2024-03-27T09:11:00.450-04:00Comments on Incinerating Presuppositionalism: A Logical God?Bahnsen Burnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-43706883278170072952014-04-13T03:24:12.115-04:002014-04-13T03:24:12.115-04:00Hello Wak,
I have posted a new entry on my blog a...Hello Wak,<br /><br />I have posted a new entry on my blog addressing your question. You can find it here:<br /><br /><a href="http://bahnsenburner.blogspot.com/2014/04/on-claim-to-have-experienced.html" rel="nofollow">On the Claim to Have Experienced "the Supernatural"</a><br /><br />I hope you find what I have written there helpful. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.<br /><br />Regards,<br />DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-23035610659139507872014-04-08T11:13:51.392-04:002014-04-08T11:13:51.392-04:00Also Dawson there has been something that i always...Also Dawson there has been something that i always wanted to ask you, what do you think of people whom always claimed to have experianced the supernatural? how do you explain stuff like that in an objectivist worldivewwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-75550978614924603472014-04-01T11:25:34.261-04:002014-04-01T11:25:34.261-04:00Hello Waka. About twenty years ago, I watched a bi...Hello Waka. About twenty years ago, I watched a bit of a movie that depicted a post apocalyptic dystopian speculative fantasy about the survivors. I don't remember the film's title or whom were the actors. Those poor unfortunate characters were reduced to living in dream worlds induced by hallucinogenic drugs while being physically cared for by serving robots. A few people desired to live life a it actually was rather than "enjoy" drug induced stupor and dreams. For their audacity, they were prosecuted by the robot-care-taker government. The movie from that plot twist became about the stress on the characters as they went about escaping back to reality. Though a stupid analogy, many mystics prefer pleasant dreams and mental stupor to facing a reality requiring work and effort to acquire happiness. But so doing is noble and provides existential purpose. :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-62548597372721548552014-04-01T11:11:29.782-04:002014-04-01T11:11:29.782-04:00at anyrate i doubt Jason Lisle was the most obxiou...at anyrate i doubt Jason Lisle was the most obxious or arrogant presupper that Dawson has delt with and propalbly there were far more who acted way more arrogantly with Dawsonwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-64699147832586817062014-04-01T06:45:18.391-04:002014-04-01T06:45:18.391-04:00Hello Waka > Thank you.Hello Waka > Thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-25522906539334452912014-03-31T23:51:31.971-04:002014-03-31T23:51:31.971-04:00anyways robert, i still found it a little upsettin...anyways robert, i still found it a little upsetting the way he arrogantly dismissed Dawson like that, i mean not even people like James Anderson would act so arrogantly, and its been weeks so i dont think he will be responding to itwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-25416614185443051562014-03-31T17:08:42.159-04:002014-03-31T17:08:42.159-04:00he has responded on his "god or absurdity pag...he has responded on his "god or absurdity page to your comment about bible and concept theorywakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-27946959038862272222014-03-31T06:44:19.981-04:002014-03-31T06:44:19.981-04:00GM Waka - oops. My bad. If Larsen responds, I'...GM Waka - oops. My bad. If Larsen responds, I'll do my best to make him think about how silly his mythology looks to rational minded people. Thanks for the heads up. :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-42336662369826660732014-03-30T16:18:05.636-04:002014-03-30T16:18:05.636-04:00the God or absrudity page is not run by Sye, Rober...the God or absrudity page is not run by Sye, Robert its by a sye-clone named Brendan Larsenwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-59508273506917078112014-03-30T12:43:25.171-04:002014-03-30T12:43:25.171-04:00Hi there Waka.
I've only interacted with Jas...Hi there Waka. <br /><br />I've only interacted with Jason a little. From what I've observed, he's a typical presuppositionalist. As such, he's no more delusional than any other religious magic believer. Recall, presuppositional apologetics is simply invoking scripture or some religious authority in hope the magic woo will do whatever the believer has "faith" it should do.<br /><br />All the stupid bantering arguments about the issue of primacy, the role of evidence, or epistemology are intended to keep conversation going while the P.A. waits on its magic woo to do its thing. The P.A. loses when they are disregarded.<br /><br />As for Ken Hovind and S.T.B. I've not interacted with them, and there's no reason to as they've been answered and refuted. The same arguments and points that work against them work against all presuppostional positions.<br /><br />However, I did post a comment on Sye's Godorabsurdity FB page at https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=226098790918669&set=a.221585598036655.1073741828.221583228036892&type=1&theater<br /><br />I asked him: "How does the Christian world view answer the question? Where in the Bible can one find description of an epistemology or a theory of concepts? I've read the Bible and as far as I can tell, it's silent on this."<br /><br />Paraphrasing Sye's loaded question: 'How does one validate their reasoning without using their reasoning?'<br /><br />So it begins. Best and Good. Many Thanks.<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-68408751564879505462014-03-30T00:03:02.299-04:002014-03-30T00:03:02.299-04:00good point Robert, but what about the most absurd ...good point Robert, but what about the most absurd presupper you have personally delt with? Eric? Sye? Jason Lisle?wakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-12720445620570907642014-03-29T18:28:34.625-04:002014-03-29T18:28:34.625-04:00Hello Waka. The most delusional presuppositionalis...Hello Waka. The most delusional presuppositionalists who are operating in the world today are arguably the terrorist of Al-Qaeda. They will frigging kill all of us for their beliefs. If those people get control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, the poop will hit the fans. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-2251309666288949612014-03-28T01:05:10.440-04:002014-03-28T01:05:10.440-04:00thanks for that post Robert, at anyrate I dont thi...thanks for that post Robert, at anyrate I dont think Lisle is going to publish your comment, but still did you see how arrogantly he dismissed Dawson saying that everything on Bahnsen Burner can be easily refuted by anyone epstiomoligcally self-concious? Seriously how arrogant and deluded is he? So between him and Sye and Eric Hovind who do you think is the worst? As well what do you think Dawson out of all the presuppers you know and dealt with who is the most arrogant and delusionalwakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-16330617934619413892014-03-26T16:44:05.504-04:002014-03-26T16:44:05.504-04:00Gosh. STB's spiel makes me long for the Zombie...Gosh. STB's spiel makes me long for the Zombie Apocalypse. <br /><br />http://syetenbruggencate.wordpress.com/sye-ten-bruggencate-and-tommys-compass/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-82743414740998895722014-03-26T16:31:38.226-04:002014-03-26T16:31:38.226-04:00Hello friends. Here's a link to a chart showi...Hello friends. Here's a link to a chart showing Sye's main fallacies.<br /><br />http://syetenbruggencate.wordpress.com/presuppositionalist-comedy-of-errors/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1970681451234570482014-03-24T22:31:16.925-04:002014-03-24T22:31:16.925-04:00so would this be considered a shining example of s...so would this be considered a shining example of sophstry and rhetoric? some one accused a presupptionalist we all know well and love of an argument from ignorance and this is what he said...<br /><br />" An argumentum ad ignorantiam is when a person tries to justify an assumption by pointing out that there is no evidence to the contrary. That is not what is happening here. Instead, it is an argument based on what we do know; the various gods of other religions are not transcendent, and therefore cannot account for any precondition of intelligibility that doesn't change with time or space."wakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-25717240086676811802014-03-24T22:22:39.272-04:002014-03-24T22:22:39.272-04:00It is a big fat god-of-the-gaps argument for sure....It is a big fat god-of-the-gaps argument for sure. But it is mainly and foremost a debating strategy. It's a Kinder-Garden-level "argument" whereby they try and "win" by rhetorical comebacks, rather than by reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-81327618663301978352014-03-24T22:09:58.197-04:002014-03-24T22:09:58.197-04:00thanks for all your help anwsering people like Lis...thanks for all your help anwsering people like Lisle and Sye Dawson and Photosythsis you guys have been great help, but would you consider the entire presup argument or at least the one Eric and Sye puts out to be just one big fat argument from ignorance?wakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-76584346408504676452014-03-24T21:12:42.184-04:002014-03-24T21:12:42.184-04:00I have told them before that if they convinced me ...I have told them before that if they convinced me that logic required "justification" such justification would have to be logical. That, since their god is far from logical, then their god cannot possibly be a justification for logic. Then they answer that I failed to judge their worldview "from the inside." In other words, their worldview's nonsense is not nonsense "from the inside."<br /><br />They fail to see that if they have to renounce logic just to stand on their worldview, then, of course, the more reason why their worldview can't have any justification for logic. It's just absurdity on top of absurdity.<br /><br />They don't see that their "answers" just confirm the diagnosis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com