tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post5531209925598032278..comments2024-03-27T09:11:00.450-04:00Comments on Incinerating Presuppositionalism: The Moral Implications of Belief in an AfterlifeBahnsen Burnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-52798376431629826972014-03-08T22:34:15.732-05:002014-03-08T22:34:15.732-05:00Hi Claudio,
Good to hear from you. And yes, you’r...Hi Claudio,<br /><br />Good to hear from you. And yes, you’re exactly right. They want to believe that there's a life after this one and characterize the view that this life is all we have as degrading and undesirable. They cannot point to any *facts* which objectively indicate that our consciousness will somehow survive the death of our bodies. They obviously do not recognize that consciousness is a biological function. But all objectively verifiable evidence consistently and absolutely indicates that this is precisely what consciousness is. Who can see without eyes? Who can hear without ears and eardrums? Who can taste without a tongue? Etc. Along with this, they forget that sense perception is consciousness. Quite typically, they treat consciousness as some kind of entity in its own right whose primary function is to fantasize from out of the blue.<br /><br />But yes, all of this deliberate, willful discard of facts about the actual nature of consciousness follows as a result of their desire to believe in a fantasy - namely that after they die, they'll wake up in some fantasyland where they have no cares, no worries, no burdens, just unending, unearned delight which they'll never have to work for. Frankly, I don't know how one maintain a non-contradictory psychological constitution and enjoy the unearned at the same time. But again, Christians are telling us about themselves in all this.<br /><br />As for murderers sending people to the afterlife prematurely, well, perhaps not. If everything that happens has been destined to happen for all eternity according to "God's plan," then murderers according to their worldview are actually sending people to the afterlife at the appointed time. We're all puppets in a larger scheme of things that is "greater" than us. Isn't that what we're always being told that the human condition longs for - "something greater than us"? The murderer is simply doing his part according to this view. Remember the student who massacred at Virginia Tech some years ago? I'm still puzzled over how "epistemologically self-conscious" Christians could show any outrage over this. Isn't it all going according to "God's plan"? And isn’t it true, according to their worldview, that “all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28)?<br /><br />It’s all a shambles for the Christian worldview. There’s no way that any of it can be integrated into a non-contradictory whole. <br /><br />Regards,<br />DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-52648960915910470562014-03-08T21:46:32.470-05:002014-03-08T21:46:32.470-05:00Christians are always giving away the "let...Christians are always giving away the "let's make believe there is a god" game when they talk about what belief is preferable, revealing their beliefs are motivated by emotions, not reason. <br />It also is quite amusing to realize that murderers do not actually kill people but send them sooner to the afterlife.samonedohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14502545219196104567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-56469629917458455512014-02-24T21:32:46.063-05:002014-02-24T21:32:46.063-05:00Dawson,
Another great piece. Like "formali...Dawson, <br /><br />Another great piece. Like "formalized superstition" in your previous piece, "scarecrow" and "churchmen" are sure to also come in handy in my interactions with apologists.<br /><br />Ydemoc<br /><br />Ydemochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498165330193613762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-13690966596247177022014-02-24T10:29:01.004-05:002014-02-24T10:29:01.004-05:00Good blog.
You remind me of the "True Detect...Good blog.<br /><br />You remind me of the "True Detective" clip J.M. Green posted recently on DebunkingChristianity.<br /><br />http://www.debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2014/02/atheism-sighting-hbos-true-detective.html<br /><br />The atheist detective tells the theist detective (played by Woody Harreleson sp?)<br /><br />“If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of shit.”<br /><br />Religious morality makes people into pieces of shit. I know this because my family is from eastern Tennessee where Presbyterian Church of Christ Protestantism with its antecedent presuppositional beliefs is wide spread and strong. <br /><br />Thanks Dawson. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469718358131331499noreply@blogger.com