tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post114372915986643371..comments2024-03-27T09:11:00.450-04:00Comments on Incinerating Presuppositionalism: Hitler vs. Mother Theresa: Antithesis or Symbiosis?Bahnsen Burnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-76640865258611243402007-05-17T22:06:00.000-04:002007-05-17T22:06:00.000-04:00I kid you not everyone. I had a whole post ready ...I kid you not everyone. I had a whole post ready and IE crashed. Perhaps it is for the best. Here's the short version. <BR/><BR/>After considering your post, your blog, and your worldview Dawson, I have come to this conclusion. I am starting to see some disturbing sociopathic traits in you dude. You seem to delight in tossing arguments on the table that are so absurd that they seem designed to merely stir controversy up so you can have a show. I hope I'm wrong, but that's my honest read on you right now. <BR/><BR/>Quite frankly, I do not plan to leave comments on your blog anymore. I don't have the kind of time needed to unravel such nonsense. <BR/><BR/>God bless you Dawson. I'll be over at AK's if you want to chat. <BR/><BR/>-BrianBrian V. Mansurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10977314467663690784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1145282105254360422006-04-17T09:55:00.000-04:002006-04-17T09:55:00.000-04:00Hi Vic,None of my music is available online at thi...Hi Vic,<BR/><BR/>None of my music is available online at this time. I haven't really explored this to date, so I'm not sure how I could make it available. Can I just upload a wave file and add a link? You have to keep in mind that my stuff is thoroughly home-grown, so listeners who are used to finished products off the shelf at the record shop may not appreciate it very much.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I'm a HUGE fan of Iommi. Listen to him soar on "Lonely is the Word." <BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1145281492062085582006-04-17T09:44:00.000-04:002006-04-17T09:44:00.000-04:00Hi Franc,Thanks for stopping by my blog! And for t...Hi Franc,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by my blog! And for the invite! I will surely look into it. Unfortunately my time these days is pretty much consumed with work and other priorities. And to complicate matters my computer at home is having some real issues (I'm using my computer at work right now). Perhaps the Christian god sabotaged it after <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/04/justifying-tag-part-2-response-to-paul.html" REL="nofollow">I showed Paul that he should tend to his fanny a little better on the issue of induction</A>. The poor guy seems to be having a really hard time learning his lessons, doesn't he? Why is that?<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1145280597409426272006-04-17T09:29:00.000-04:002006-04-17T09:29:00.000-04:00Hello Kevin,Thanks for your comments. I think the ...Hello Kevin,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments. I think the only rebuttal one needs to Geisler & Turek is: I'm too honest to be a Christian. That pretty much sums it up for me. Imagine trying to believe that it takes more faith to have no faith in invisible magic beings than it does to believe that the stories we read in the bible are true. Either these authors are hyper-deluded, or they're downright dishonest.<BR/><BR/>To answer the easy-to-anticipate rebuttal that Hitler was not a Christian, yes, you can pull the many quotes from Hitler's book and his many speeches which invoke Christian themes. These are often dismissed as political pandering, which may be partially the case, at least by the 30's when his rise to power needed to invogorate the masses in terms that they would readily accept (which in itself says a lot, doesn't it?). I wouldn't be too hasty, however, in dismissing Hitler's use of biblical quotes and allusions in <I>Mein Kampf</I> since they are so integral to his condemnation of Jews. The seeds of anti-Semitism in the New Testament are pretty hard to miss.<BR/><BR/>But whether or not Hitler can safely be said to have been a Christian is really not the issue here. As I make clear in my blog, Hitler's fundamental philosophical commitments share every essential with Christianity, namely belief in supernaturalism in metaphysics, mysticism in epistemology, sacrifice in ethics, collectivism in politics, etc. In this way, Christian or not, Hitler's worldview mirrors that of Mother Theresa in terms of fundamentals, which is where a sober inquiry needs to start. The fundamentals are there, the apologist just needs to own up to them, and given the clear association, he'll have a hard time doing so, even though the philosophical legacy is inescapable.<BR/><BR/>Now, there's another angle to play when dealing with an apologist who wants to object by saying that Hitler was not really a Christian. On the contrary, he will likely want to say that Hitler was a non-Christian. So be it. Presuppositionalists are all the time telling us that non-Christians must <I>borrow</I> their morality from the Christian worldview. I would contend that many, <I>including Hitler</I>, have done just that. Thus my overall point prevails while granting the apologist two of his, namely that a) Hitler was a non-Christian, and b) (some) non-Christians borrow their morality from the Christian worldview. Here you give them a taste of their own medicine, and now you have the philosophical substance to back it up. <BR/><BR/>Case closed.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1145278500697235562006-04-17T08:55:00.000-04:002006-04-17T08:55:00.000-04:00An excellent post, Dawson.Is any of your music ava...An excellent post, Dawson.<BR/><BR/>Is any of your music available? Online samples, perhaps?Vichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03891009653268025114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1145258039001712392006-04-17T03:13:00.000-04:002006-04-17T03:13:00.000-04:00Dawson - I invite you to join the War on Relativis...Dawson - I invite you to join the War on Relativism :<BR/>http://hellboundalleee.blogspot.com/2006/05/war-on-relativism.html<BR/><BR/>And yes, that includes Christian relativism... a topic with which you are plenty familiar. ;)Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11714522.post-1145250902710981082006-04-17T01:15:00.000-04:002006-04-17T01:15:00.000-04:00In their apologetic book, I Don’t Have Enough Fait...In their apologetic book, <I>I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist</I>, Norman Geisler and Frank Turek also use the Mother Theresa-Hitler argument. Until now I could not think of an adequate rebuttal, so thank you for this excellent post.<BR/><BR/>However, I think that the apologist might respond to your post by arguing that Hitler was not a Christian, but then various quotes from <I>Mein Kamph</I> suggest otherwise.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work.<BR/><BR/>All the best<BR/>Kevin<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.mexc.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Memoirs of an ex-Christian</A>Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16752824290056143050noreply@blogger.com